Did the UK just become the world’s most vape-friendly country?
Studies have shown that vaping probably has a minimal impact on indoor air quality.
The report titled, “Nicotine Sensors for Wearable Battery-Free Monitoring of Vaping,” discusses a portable nicotine sensor that is being developed as an alternative to tests that can only be carried out in laboratory settings and are therefore impractical. Madhu Bhaskaran, Md. Ataur Rahman and Philipp Gutruf, were funded by the Australian Research Council and set out to design a lightweight, wearable sensor capable of detecting nicotine in real time. Hence the device is able to measure the wearer’s exposure and send the data directly to electronic devices such as smartphones.
Vapour evaporates within seconds
Meanwhile, a 2018 peer-reviewed study, had shown that exhaled e-vapour product particles are actually liquid droplets that evaporate within seconds. In line with what previous air samples had indicated, these findings had suggested that vaping probably has a minimal impact on indoor air quality.
The study titled “Characterisation of the Spatial and Temporal Dispersion Differences between Exhaled e-cigarette mist and Cigarette Smoke,” was published in the renowned journal Nicotine & Tobacco Research and carried out via a collaboration between Kaunas University of Technology in Lithuania, EMPA (Swiss Federal Laboratories for Materials Science and Technology), ETH Zurich (Swiss Federal Institute of Technology) and Fontem Ventures.
In order to measure particle concentrations in the air, study participants were asked to use e-cigarettes or smoke conventional cigarettes at different distances from a heated mannequin, representing a bystander, and under different room ventilation conditions. In the meantime, the researchers measured aerosol particle concentrations and size distributions at the mannequin’s position.
Particles from cigarette smoke linger significantly longer
For both e-cigarettes and regular cigarettes, the particle concentrations registered following each puff were in the same order of magnitude. However, for vaping products the particle concentration returned to background values within a few seconds, whilst for cigarettes it increased with successive puffs, only returning to background levels after 30-45 minutes.
Shenzhen, China, June 29, VOOPOO 2022 “More Than Infinity” Global New Product Launch officially came to an end.
VOOPOO spent 30 minutes reviewing the 8 years brand story at its 8th anniversary, divided into three chapters to explain how the combination of infinite symbol and brand spirit match the attitude VOOPOO using technology to create more infinite possibilities.
At the launch, three POD products carrying VOOPOO’s most leading-edge technology became the biggest highlight.
A very significant theme of the launch is the development story of VOOPOO since its founding 8 years ago. From the early atomisation chip solution provider to today’s open tank system giant, VOOPOO has been driving the positive development of the industry through a series of disruptive innovation, and to complete the brand transformation with irresistible force. In addition, the globalisation process VOOPOO started last year has extended to the United States, the United Kingdom, Indonesia, Germany, France, Canada and Malaysia, more branches will be landed to strengthen local operations in the local market. Through the establishment of brand flagship stores, put mobile apps on more regions, those combinations strategies are deemed to deepen the global influence of VOOPOO in electronic atomisation industry.
Atomisation platform + chip construction supports the new products, highlighting VOOPOO’s R&D strength
New product is the vital part of the launch, and VOOPOO reveals 3 Pod products this time, including two V series products, VMATE E and VMATE Infinity Edition.
These two products are equipped with newly upgraded cartridge, with 5A freshness-seal technology to lock the fresh taste and fragrance of e-liquid, and the use of special Fresnel lens texture design on the cartridge, effectively reducing the exposure of light to the e-liquid, striking the user with the fresh taste experience.
Silver ions were specially added in the cartridge, the effective anti-bacteria rate is above 99%.
The Drag Q has been released with the new infinite appearance again, the Drag Q overturned the industry’s concept of POD vape products with its intelligent pressure regulation and taste restoration of professional-grade.
VOOPOO global brand ambassador also detailed the core reason for driving VOOPOO to achieve leapfrog development, the “user-centred” strategy oriented investment in research and development.
At present , VOOPOO pioneered three atomisation platforms for various user needs: PNP, TPP, ITO. As well as two Gene chips: GENE AI and GENE TT. It is the VOOPOO’s continuous optimisation and innovation in atomisation technology wins the love and support of our consumers.
Join hands with 100,000 + clients and 50million + customers to build an electronic atomisation culture
The last chapter of the launch event was left to the clients and thousands of VOOPOO fans who have stepped forward with VOOPOO. For the past 8 years, VOOPOO has worked closely with more than 100,000 retailers offline, winning the favour of the majority of customers with constantly high-quality products and continuous market investment, but also showing a mutually beneficial and win-win business answer with partners with the actual market results.
In the global context, more than 50 million users have become loyal fans of VOOPOO, pushing VOOPOO continue to create era-leading products, and thousands of VOOPOO eco-system consumers to build a culture of atomisation.
VOOPOO mentioned at the launch, the brand flagship stores will be firstly debut in the UK, Indonesia and other places, and VOOPOO fans can contact with no distance, perfect VOOPOO ecosystem together.
The launch took 30 minutes to explain the development strategy of VOOPOO, the spirit of innovation, brand culture and the deep connection of infinite symbols.
What kind of performance will the listed three heavyweight products make is also worth expecting for the industry.
What is Throat Hit?
You know it when you feel it! Throat hit is the sensation in the throat caused by nicotine as it’s inhaled. It ranges from a smooth satisfying catch as the vapor travels down the throat to an intolerable harshness. Smokers who’ve tried to inhale a cigar will know the sensation at its worst. Vapers seek a throat hit that suits them. For some it’s practically non-existent, for others it’s very pronounced. It’s very much a personal preference.
How do I get less throat hit?
You have two options. One, you use a lower nicotine concentration vape juice. If you do this, you may wish to use a higher powered device so that you’re still getting similar quantities of nicotine overall (see power and nicotine explained). The sensation will be much less pronounced. The other option is to use an eliquid with a higher PH. The flavorings added to the liquid will change the overall PH – a high PH liquid is what you’re after, so you may find citric flavors do the trick.
Is there a way to get Throat Hit without nicotine?
Short answer: not really. At least, not a throat hit which truly resembles that caused by nicotine. The thing is, throat hit is caused by nicotine’s unique pharmacological properties: it causes a slight contraction in the muscles of the throat, and this is what gives rise to the specific sensation. Nothing else, as far as I’m aware, does this. Some years ago there was a liquid called “Flash” which purported to offer a nicotine-like throat hit, but it never took off. I’ve even heard of people experimenting with capsaicin (the “hot” chemical in chili peppers). Don’t do this – you’ll get a throat hit, and a lung hit, and a nose hit. It’s really not what you’re looking for!
What about other vape sensations?
Throat hit is not the only pleasurable sensation vapers seek. The ideal vape has the perfect blend of throat hit and flavor (i.e. the liquid choice) as well as the volume of vapor and warmth (i.e. the device choice). Pick a versatile vape starter kit and try out a few combinations and see what style you prefer.
VOOPOO, a global leading electronic atomization brand, released a seven-day countdown on its official website on June 23rd. According to this, a new product launch themed “More than Infinity” will be held at 10:00 p.m.(GMT+8) on June 29. As the initial new VOOPOO product launch of this year, what will be delivered in the launch is conspicuous.
The launch event is not only held for new products, but also for celebrating the 8th establishment anniversary of VOOPOO. Since its establishment, VOOPOO has gained a reputation for developing a variety of revolutionary products. While promoting the development of the industry, VOOPOO achieved leaps of market share year by year. By far, VOOPOO has become a TOP brand in the Open Pod System. VOOPOO has also won a number of Vapoouround 2022 awards recently, which are known as the Oscars of the atomization industry, and has been highly praised by the industry and users. There is no doubt that VOOPOO will reveal some behind-brand stories on this 8th anniversary.
The posters released on the official website and social platforms all used the infinity symbol as the main visual element of the launch.VOOPOO has lately launched a number of high-profile events around the world, whether the “Spark Your Life Infinite Challenge ”on the Tik-Tok, or the pop-up events organized by graffiti artists in the United Kingdom and Indonesia, were all attached to the infinity symbol strongly. Now it is clear that those were organized to warm up the launch. This launch is themed as “More than infinity”, emphasizing that the infinity symbol seems to become the cultural totem of the VOOPOO brand. As for which brand spirit the infinity symbol marks, it will only be revealed at the launch.
Another highlight of the launch is the new products VOOPOO will debut this time. Judging from the relevant content disclosed on the official website, the overall KEY VISION style is very technologically avant-garde, and several products will be released at the same time. For VOOPOO, which was known for its product innovation, the new products of this time may make various breakthroughs in design and technology as well. The official revealed that the launch will be broadcasting live on its official YouTube channel at 10:00 p.m.（GMT+8） on June 29. At that time, global vape fans and industry observers will witness and participate in this feast served by VOOPOO.
VOOPOO is a leading brand of open pod systems and has rapidly risen through DRAG products, which have been widely acclaimed globally in a short period of time. VOOPOO focuses on building two core technology platforms [Chip] and [Atomization]. VOOPOO has creatively developed GENE.AI, GENE.TT and other chips. In addition, VOOPOO independently developed three Atomization Platforms, which are TPP, PNP, ITO, aiming at differentiated users. VOOPOO has four major product series – ARGUS, DRAG, VINCI, and V-series(Doric). VOOPOO will continue to develop more national markets in the future, aiming to build one of the most influential global brands.
If the Juul ban goes into effect, Altria’s obligations would be voided.
As a result of a 2018 deal which gave Altria a 35% stake in Juul, the tobacco company is not able to conduct any business with any other vape brand if not through Juul. Given the pending PMTAs situation the vape manufacturer faced in the last few months, the tobacco company’s stock had dropped.
Meanwhile, anti-vape politicians and groups, had been pressuring the FDA to flat out reject any PMTA applications by Juul. In fact the American Lung Association (ALA) and the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids had recently said they were “deeply disappointed” that the FDA was still studying a percentage of the applications, including Juul’s. ECigIntelligence revealed that the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids had even threatened to take the agency to court if it did not “immediately clarify” the timeline and reason for its actions.
Given this uncertainty, and the fact that over the years Juul has been plagued by lawsuits, adverse health claims and accusations of targeting younger consumers, in October 2021 Altria stock (NYSE: MO) dropped by 3% and was at one point trading close to $49 per share. Finally two weeks back, the FDA issued Juul a marketing denial order (MDO).
The decision applies to “all of their products currently marketed in the United States,” forcing the manufacturer to completely exit the US market. “We recognize these make up a significant part of the available products and many have played a disproportionate role in the rise in youth vaping,” stated FDA Commissioner Robert M. Califf.
Juul ban put on hold
However in response to this, Juul has filed an emergency motion at a federal appeals court asking the court to take a stance against an “extraordinary and unlawful action” by the FDA. A three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit ruled in favour of Juul, allowing the products to remain on the market, at least for now.
Discussing these events, Wall Street analysts explain that ultimately, if the Juul ban goes into effect, Altria’s obligations would be voided, leaving the tobacco company free to invest in any other vape firm.
Bernstein analyst Callum Elliott was quoted by Saltwire as suggesting that “Altria could try to buy privately owned Njoy, which has already succeeded with its PMTA (Premarket Tobacco Product Application) process applications.”
“Before Njoy, British American Tobacco’s Vuse Solo e-cigarettes and tobacco-flavored pods had become the first-ever vapor products to receive clearance from the health regulator in October last year.,” he added.
Geekvape is known worldwide for its consistent and cutting-edge vaping technology and have pushed ahead by creating a wide range of devices, suitable for every vaper.
When a kit, such as the Wenax K1 SE comes along, I want to see what makes this different from the rest, how it performs and who would best benefit from it.
It is safe to say I got on really well with this simple, discreet and pocket-friendly kit.
- Dimensions: 114.6*21.6*11.5mm
- Power output: 9-16W
- Battery capacity: 600mAh
- Pod capacity: 2ml
- Charging specification: USB-C charging port
- Weight (excluding e-liquid): 32g
- Auto draw
- MTL inhale
To look at, the Wenax K1 SE does not differ drastically from other similar setups, it is rectangular in shape with smooth, rounded edges.
About the size of your index finger, this kit will easily fit in even the tiniest of pockets and with eight gorgeous colour options (my personal favourite being a blend of pink and green) there is something to suit every vaper.
One of the first things I noticed was the weight. Heralded as being light as air, the Wenax K1 SE weighs in at a mere 32g and this is clearly reflected when holding it.
Boasting a lightweight feel, this kit still manages to get the performance side of things absolutely spot on too.
With an impressive battery capacity of 600mAh, the Wenax K1 SE is charged rapidly via USB C and lasts a fair while.
The next significant thing about this kit is its specially-designed stable power output.
It manages to maintain a satisfying hit, for longer and without noticeable power loss when vaping, even as the battery life diminishes.
Battery life is indicated by a subtly coloured light behind the logo on the side of the device – a widely used concept in devices lacking a screen.
Also compatible with the Wenax K1 pods, the pods/cartridges that come with the kit include a built-in coil (that is non-removable) and the device itself auto-adjusts to the ideal wattage depending on which resistance coil/pod you are using. Each TPD compliant, 2ml pod lasted about half a day before needing to be refilled.
The fact that this kit is draw-activated and has no screen, makes it a no-brainer for users looking to switch from disposable vapes. It mimics the tight, yet flavourful, inhale found on disposables and is cheaper in the long run to use and maintain.
Geekvape claims each pod (over it’s coil lifespan) is equivalent to approximately 10 disposables, plus you get the opportunity to refill the pod with your choice of e-liquid – something that I would count as a definite plus.
How does the Wenax K1 SE perform?
The Wenax K1 SE works incredibly well with higher strength 50/50 VG/PG e-liquids, and you can expect impressive flavour and an even more impressive throat hit.
I would class the type of inhale as a true mouth-to-lung, especially with the fact that there is no adjustable airflow, further cementing this kit as being a great starter choice for smokers and fans of disposables.
Another thing I liked was the mouthpiece, which was thin and flat and accentuated the smooth MTL inhale, whilst also boosting flavour production.
Despite its delicate look, the Wenax K1 SE still came across as durable and hardy, and easily survived a three-meter drop test onto marble, without so much as a minuscule scratch (although I wouldn’t recommend chucking it out of your bedroom window).
What type of vaper would best suit the Wenax K1 SE?
I personally feel that this stunning little device would be a ‘go to’ not only for new vapers but also for users of disposables.
The reasoning behind that presumption is mainly due to it’s similarity to the type of inhale, flavour, size and portability of a standard disposable. Plus you can recharge the device and refill the cartridge with any flavour you like.
In the long term, using the Wenax K1 SE can also be more economic to run on a day-to-day basis.
Overall thoughts on the Wenax K1 SE
For such a basic and unassuming piece of kit, the Wenax K1 SE did not disappoint in any way shape or form. It opened my eyes to see potential options for replacing disposables, and not completely geared just for smokers looking to quit.
- A great device that closely resembles the taste and feel of a disposable
- Easy to use
- Fast charging
- A lovely MTL inhale and throat hit
- I would prefer replaceable coils rather than replaceable cartridges
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On 29th of June 2022 the EU commission announced that the EU plan to ban the sale of flavoured heated tobacco products.
The reasoning for this apparently is the old “teen use” bog roll.
Heated tobacco (or Heat Not Burn) is totally different from vaping. It uses actual tobacco you would find in a cigarette but instead of burning it completely it heats it to a level where the nicotine is vaporised.
According to the article on the Politico website the sale of heated tobacco has really taken off in Europe. From 2018 to 2020 sales soared from 924 million to 19.7 Billion sticks stated in a commission report.
I find it slightly odd as they are pretty unpopular in the UK!
EU Health Commissioner Stella Kyriakides said…
“With nine out of 10 lung cancers caused by tobacco, we want to make smoking as unattractive as possible to protect the health of our citizens and save lives,”
“Stronger actions to reduce tobacco consumption, stricter enforcement and keeping pace with new developments to address the endless flow of new products entering the market — particularly important to protect younger people — is key for this,”
Michael Landl (Director of the World Vapers Alliance) shot back with…
“It is shocking that the EU Commission still fights tobacco harm reduction. To achieve its own 5% tobacco use target, we need as many options as possible. Vaping, nicotine pouches and heat-not-burn products all help people to quit smoking and are less harmful. The Commission systematically ignores the wealth of scientific evidence pointing to the benefits, not to mention the first-hand experience of millions of vapers. The Commission’s negative approach to harm reduction will do nothing but boost the black market and push people back to smoking.”
What Brands Of Heated Tobacco Are Affected?
Some of the main players in the heated tobacco market are the PMI (Phillip Morris International) “IQOS“, the BAT (British American Tobacco) “Glo” and the JTI (Japan Tobacco International) “Ploom” brand.
It is worth noting these are tobacco companies rather than Electronic brands – so it makes sense for them to update how people consume tobacco to stop their market drying out.
From what I can make out this ban only affects flavoured Heat Not Burn “sticks” so I assume regular tobacco ones will be still for sale?
Incorrect reporting has caused people to think flavoured vapes are to be banned, some reports have had to correct their articles to add this isn’t the case…
https://news.sky.com/story/flavoured-vapes-could-be-banned-under-eu-plan-to-fight-cancer-12642469 – this was corrected to “Flavoured heated tobacco products could be banned under EU plan to fight cancer”.
https://www.thesun.ie/health/9023523/flavoured-vaping-products-eu-ban-sales-young-people-skyrocket/ – this is from the Irish Sun newspaper website – as you can see the title in the address and on the site references flavoured vaping products! They did add the sentence included below in the write up.
I know HNB is a controversial subject, but at the end of the day if they help people quit smoking they have a place in the market.
But I do wish big Tobacco Companies would divert their interest into nicotine vaping rather than continuing with old fashioned tobacco.
Iowa’s Attorney General, Tom Miller, issued the strongest public challenge yet to Mitch Zeller, head of the FDA’s Centre for Tobacco Products, to intervene in the way vaping products are regulated. Speaking at the Food and Drug Law Institute’s Tobacco conference luncheon on October 27th, he urged Mitch Zeller to “come to the rescue and use his authority to the fullest extent to not overregulate e-cigarettes and the implementation of the rule.”
Tom Miller has served nine consecutive terms as Iowa’s AG, was the president of the NAAG, and has a deep and long-standing involvement in US Tobacco Control efforts. AG Miller was instrumental in the Master Settlement Agreement of 1998, in which the tobacco companies were forced to pay, in perpetuity, a proportion of profits to each US state to cover smoking-related health care costs. He sits today as the Chair of the Truth Initiative, America’s largest anti-tobacco NGO.
His intervention, in which he spoke in his capacity as Attorney General of Iowa, will carry an enormous amount of political weight, especially amongst the community of Attorneys General, of which 40 wrote to the FDA in 2013 urging them to implement regulations urgently. One imagines that those AG’s will not be amused if they feel the CDC has misled them.
AG Miller’s complaint centres around two principal issues: that the US population has been misled about the safety of vaping products, and that alarm has been created over a “new epidemic of nicotine addiction” in American youth that is not justified by the data.
Miller praised Zeller’s contribution to the CTP, stating that he has an enormously difficult challenge from “Pressures from all different sides, intense pressures, pressures from people who are true believers of one position or another, pressures of the bureaucracy and being part of the bureaucracy and being part of the political system.” But he maintained that Zeller must face reality head-on and act creatively to ensure that the opportunity is realised to save the “13 to 15 million” smokers lives that are currently at risk from cigarettes.
In an apologetic note, he conceded: “I’m putting way too much responsibility on his [Mitch’s] shoulders, but there is not a lot of choice at this point.”
FDA’s “deeming” of e-cigarettes to be tobacco products
The FDA’s “deeming regulation” has been criticised for being excessively burdensome to an industry that mainly comprises of SMEs, which stand no chance of compliance. The fear is that any positive effect currently being seen at the population level is in jeopardy from a regulation that will eradicate most of the industry participants.
Mitch Zeller has stated previously that the “English example” does not apply to the United States due to skyrocketing domestic teen usage. But doubts have surfaced over the methods used to gather this data and the way they were interpreted. Last year, the CDC reported a “tripling of e-cigarette use” amongst youth following its latest wave of the National Youth Tobacco Study. They stated that as many adolescents were vaping as were smoking, such that there had been no overall decline in tobacco usage.
CDC reported only overall usage which only reflects exposures within the last 30 days. Accordingly, a range of vaping behaviours is collapsed together, including daily usage, single day usage, one-off experimental usage, a puff from a friend’s device and so forth. It’s impossible, then, to compare like with like. Additionally, the MTF group found last year that around 70% of adolescent vapers were using e-cigarettes without nicotine.
Miller’s topology of adolescent vaping usage
Where the CDC claims 13-16% of teens are users of e-cigarettes, Miller states that from this figure:
- Half of teen users only use them when shared by friends (Truth Initiative)
- Only 1 in 140 kids who were not previously smokers become daily or semi-daily vapers (Ken Warner, from MTF data)
- 3.3% of kids are daily smokers, 1% of kids are “trying to get off cigarettes” using vape (source not available)
- Of all kids using vape of any description, only a minority use products which contain nicotine (MTF)
Miller concludes that “this looks like a Gateway to nowhere.”
There has never been any acknowledgement from the CDC regarding other interpretations of this data. Tom Miller has now given Mitch Zeller the political room to course correct and look again at the English example, which increasingly seems to be a case with more similarities than differences to the USA situation.
The English example
This year the Royal College of Physicians issued a report stating that vaping is at least 95% safer than cigarette smoking. Further, population level studies conducted in the UK by Professor Robert West (the smoking toolkit) has shown vaping to be more efficacious in aiding cessation than pharmaceutical nicotine products, and that vaping products are now the UK’s most popular quit tool, despite their not being marketed as such.
Out of a population of around nine million smokers, UK’s main anti-smoking campaigners, ASH, found 1.3 million are now ex-smokers but use vaping products, and that children are not being recruited to smoking through vaping products.
This is not to say that the UK is all rosy as far as vaping is concerned. There remains deep scepticism about the involvement of the tobacco industry in the sector, despite the continued positive impact the products are having. UK smokers, similarly to US smokers, remain confused about the safety of vaping due to relentless media scare stories generated from research conducted by US researchers.
The UK government is obliged to implement the EU’s Tobacco Products Directive , but the authority assigned to regulate the products, the MHRA, has chosen to do so in as liberal fashion as they are able.
Few days ago we learned from the news that VOOPOO has just launched a new pod vape named VMATE E pod in SVH, Indonesia. And lucky that we got it in hand in the earliest time. It would be a pity not to share the experience with our readers early, so let’s start.
VOOPOO VMATE E try out
First things first, the VMATE E tastes excellent. Vape juice on it tastes rich and mellow, and the cloud particles are fine and consistent. Pretty strong vaping performance with more than sufficient power.
Instant heat up and easy installation & operation make vaping not a technical job anymore. Unlike Drag Q with a more complex settings, VMATE E has been tuned to the best state for optimal vaping experience.
360-degree fully-fit design of the pod mouthpiece as a result of 128 engineering tests brings a 360-degree full range of fitting lip comfort. You’ll feel your flavor, not a pod. The mouthpiece is very comfortable when vaping.
Condensate-free design for the 3ml VMATE E Pod with an independent and one-way condensate space is 75% more leak-proof than other pods. No condensate problem was found when the author was vaping.
Meanwhile, the pod is easy to insert tight while easily to be pulled out. Magnetic suction and buckle double reinforcement, with the super-easy groove clasp design, makes every insertion and removal of the pod handier.
Small size with large power makes the pod a brilliant pod. 900mAh large capacity built-in battery, with Type-C 5V/1A fast charging, one charge, enjoy two days of vaping.
Moreover, the cover on the pod is almost a unique design in the vaping industry that few brands have. It makes your pod free from dust and dirt, cleaner in your pocket, and more sanitary when vaping.
Lether and metal surface of the device body make it comfortable in hand, anti-slip, and more expensive and delicate. VMATE E’s streamlined curve is made possible with elegant metal. The body is polished in 14 processes over 150 minutes to form the smoothness and gloss. The leather offers the optimal touch feeling and luxury style. The LED indicator lights on and off with each puff, showing the real-time battery capacity.
VOOPOO VMATE E at a glance
VOOPOO VMATE E specifications
Height: 9.5cm (3.7″)
Width: 2.9cm (1.1″)
Depth: 1.5cm (0.6″)
2ml Refillable Pods
Device material： Aluminum alloy
Pod material: PCTG
Resistance: 0.7/ 1.2 Ohm
Output power: 17 W
Battery capacity: 900 mAh
VOOPOO VMATE E package content
VooPoo VMate Device
V.THRU 3ml Refillable 0.7/ 1.2 ohm Pod
USB-C Charging Cable
VOOPOO VMATE E user manual
Overall speaking, VMATE works perfectly, and the design is user-friendly, ergonomic and beautiful. Worth having a try.